Jon Venables !! What's your opinion ?

[Pete]

>> Great, another Monday. I've been to the gym, had a nice hot shower and I've just picked up a bottle of home brew off a neighbour for this afternoon. I've got a few spliffs rolled up for the XBox tournament with the lads, after which I'll muck about online with some porn and gambling sites.

>> I love prison, me.

Hmmm... I feel a little breaking and entering coming on

[DbyDawn]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. I'm just talking about the public's need to know.
I think there will be a significant number of people massively disappointed if it turns out the crime he has committed is relatively minor.
People want this to be something major so they have something to talk about and a new hate figure. It's just the way our society is going. The lad has committed another crime, i expect he'll be duly punished for said crime. That's as much interest as i really have.
For the record, i am pro-rehabilitation. In this case it looks as if the rehabilitation has failed (depending on the crime, in my opinion). However, i don't see why i should feel the need to know what he's done.

I think this man's case is slightly different in that he committed an awful crime but was let out on parole only to commit another crime. Some people feel that if they could rely upon the justice system to punish this man properly then he wouldn't have been out on parole in the first place. Rehabilitation failed when he committed another crime.

I see your point about society/the media needing a person or group to hate. It's how alliances are formed & newspapers sold etc. I hate the frenzies that the media works up to sell stories but in the past it's been left to those newspapers to unearth items that authorities don't want the public to know.

I agree that Jack Straw shouldn't tell anyone the facts because - as Jon says - it may be used as a defence measure in his coming trial.

[DbyDawn]

Why assume The Sun story is false?
Read The Mirror
The Mail and
The Telegraph

Newspapers steal each others stories & publish them as their own all the time. The only thing that a wide media coverage has going for it is that one of them might've checked the facts.

[riggs151]

Hmmmm John Venables! well lets remember what he and his m8 did, they targetted and took a 2 year old boy to train lines, club him to death and place his dead body on train lines to watch a train slice him in two!!! and this just the tip of the ice berg!. then in court as the list of what these two little monsters did was read out, they laughed/giggled at each other showing no sign of anything but humour to what they did.

Now what happened next was 8 years in this countrys Social Care system, moving from place to place, Clay Cross and Ashford in the Water being two stops. They went to Old Trafford and cinema amoungst many other pleasant jollys out in the world, all while we walk around doing our day to day business.

At the age of 18 some super "EXPERT" decided to give them a false/new identity and release them back into the wild, living next door and working with people that knew nothing. These experts will have provided risk assesment and deemed it safe for the public! now agree or not, just for one minute close your eyes and pretend he was re housed next door to you and any of your family. How would you feel then?

To me it is these "EXPERTS", who make these highly paid decisions, yet when it goes wrong like it has now, nothing happens, they release statements saying "lessons have been learned", recentlly it has been investigated and reported publicly that in Sheffield and Lincolnshire 100 Social Workers all on high tax payers wages have let down and neglected children being sexually assaulted by their father for a decade, the report claims "lesson's were not learned", how do these people justify their salary?.and remember, it is us, the tax paye that funds these councils and the people in them!


The Baby P scandal was just the same, a few highly paid Social Workers had the wool pulled ove their eyes as chocolate was smeared over bruising? yet they neither challenge it or report it. How do they justify their wages, what exactlly were thay trained?

The problem in general is that Social Services attract good people, the problem is they keep their heads down as the tree huggers run the assylum......................... these people that make up policy, then change it to suit the agenda going at that time, every month for as long as i can remember their is some story of "neglect" by some councils Social Services department, each time some releases a statement saying "lessons have been learned", when they clearly have not

Sort this perpetual problem out and for the first time we caqn embrace proper child protection, or here is a thought!, when releasing someone like Venables, let the "expert" know, that if they are wrong, it wont just be the likes of Venables that will be punished, make them accountable!

[DbyDawn]

Some good points rigs151. Re the father case abusing his daughters - If I remember the news item correctly. This man abused his 2 daughters & made them pregnant over 10 times? A news item said they were seen over & over again by social worker after social worker & all of them suspected abuse by the father. None of them did anything because they were afraid of the father. Even the girl's brother went to social services & nothing was done.

You may have a point that only nice people become social workers - & what's the point of that if they are afraid to upset an abuser? Surely they could've got the police involved?

"Lessons have been learned" has become a cliche for we messed up & didn't get away with it. Practices should be reviewed BEFORE something terrible happens. It seems people just carry on until something bad happens.

[Sap1ent]

This article more or less reflects my sentiments on the scenario.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... erous-dogs

btw, i suspect this:

then in court as the list of what these two little monsters did was read out, they laughed/giggled at each other showing no sign of anything but humour to what they did.

Now what happened next was 8 years in this countrys Social Care system, moving from place to place, Clay Cross and Ashford in the Water being two stops. They went to Old Trafford and cinema amoungst many other pleasant jollys out in the world, all while we walk around doing our day to day business.

is utter, utter b*ll*cks...but i'm happy to be proven otherwise.

[DbyDawn]

btw, i suspect this:

then in court as the list of what these two little monsters did was read out, they laughed/giggled at each other showing no sign of anything but humour to what they did.
Now what happened next was 8 years in this countrys Social Care system, moving from place to place, Clay Cross and Ashford in the Water being two stops. They went to Old Trafford and cinema amoungst many other pleasant jollys out in the world, all while we walk around doing our day to day business.

is utter, utter b*ll*cks...but i'm happy to be proven otherwise.

I don't know about the court but I'm sure all their time wasn't one jolly after another. Though I do think that younsters in the system would surely get time out to enjoy, under supervision, the football or cinema. I think it would be important for that to happen if only for them to get used to being in public places again & to promote good behaviour.

IMO of course